Helene's Apple podcast:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/helene-munson-on-hitlers-boy-soldiers-can-germans-ever/id1448694012?i=1000564728348
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/helene-munson-on-hitlers-boy-soldiers-can-germans-ever/id1448694012?i=1000564728348